Legislature(2021 - 2022)BARNES 124

03/01/2022 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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        HB 227-MUNI ENERGY IMPROVEMNT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:03:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HANNAN announced that the  first order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 227, "An Act relating to  municipal energy and                                                               
resilience improvement assessment programs; and providing for an                                                                
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:04:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCHRAGE, as prime sponsor, presented HB 227.  He read                                                                  
from the sponsor statement [included in the committee packet],                                                                  
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Property Assessed Clean Energy  (PACE) is an innovative                                                                    
     financing mechanism  that enables owners  of commercial                                                                    
     and industrial properties to obtain fixed rate, long-                                                                      
     term  financing  through  private  lenders  for  energy                                                                    
     efficiency and  renewable energy  projects and  pay the                                                                    
     costs back over time  through a voluntary assessment on                                                                    
     the  property  tax.  PACE  attaches  the  loan  to  the                                                                    
     property, rather than the borrower.  If the property is                                                                    
     sold, the loan  transfers to the new  owner. With lower                                                                    
     energy  costs,  building  owners unlock  positive  cash                                                                    
     flow   for   their   businesses  and   increase   their                                                                    
     buildings' value from day 1.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Passed in  2017, the  statute allows  local governments                                                                    
     to create and manage  C-PACE programs. The Municipality                                                                    
     of  Anchorage launched  the  state's  first program  in                                                                    
     April 2021.  Other regions are interested  in launching                                                                    
     a  program and  are  reviewing administration  options.                                                                    
     While    program    administration   is    offset    by                                                                    
     administrative fees,  staff capacity is  still required                                                                    
     to  maintain  the   program  and  review  applications.                                                                    
     Alaska's statute  is based  on Texas's  C-PACE statute.                                                                    
     Based  on  the  growing success  of  C-PACE,  lawmakers                                                                    
     around the country  are adding new eligible  uses of C-                                                                    
     PACE.   Several   statutory   clean-ups   will   ensure                                                                    
     efficient  statewide  promulgation   and  will  greatly                                                                    
     facilitate   investment   in    our   building   stock,                                                                    
     especially  at  a  time when  economic  development  is                                                                    
     needed most.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 227 aims to expand C-PACE in Alaska by:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     1. Allowing new construction financing                                                                                     
     2. Allowing Resiliency projects                                                                                            
     3. Allowing C-PACE refinancing                                                                                             
     4.  Considering  Market  Values  rather  than  assessed                                                                    
     values                                                                                                                     
     5. Eliminating the Savings-to-Investment Ratio (SIR)                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     HB  227 changes  serve the  common goal  of creating  a                                                                    
     large,  thriving and  active  C-PACE  market, which  in                                                                    
     turn  will  benefit  Alaskans.  These  amendments  were                                                                    
     developed  in  coordination  with the  Municipality  of                                                                    
     Anchorage  and the  Alaska Energy  Authority using  the                                                                    
     best practices  & lessons learned  in the Lower  48. In                                                                    
     all cases,  C-PACE assists  property owners  in dealing                                                                    
     with  the  up-front  cost  of  property  upgrades  that                                                                    
     create a public benefit.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     HB 227 will help  municipalities and boroughs statewide                                                                    
     achieve   the   greatest  overall   environmental   and                                                                    
     economic development  benefits at  no cost to  state or                                                                    
     local governments.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:08:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHAINA KILCOYNE,  Energy and Sustainability Manager,  Solid Waste                                                               
Services,  Municipality of  Anchorage, co-presented  a PowerPoint                                                               
on Alaska C-PACE in relation to  HB 227.  She described C-PACE as                                                               
"a government  policy that says commercial  energy efficiency and                                                               
renewable energy are  a public benefit."  Statute  passed in 2017                                                               
"allowed  jurisdiction  to  create  programs."    She  said  many                                                               
entities were involved  in bringing the first  program to Alaska,                                                               
as shown on  slide 2, including:  the State  of Alaska, Alaska C-                                                               
PACE,  the  Alaska  Energy  Authority,  the  U.S.  Department  of                                                               
Energy,  McKinley   Research  Group,  LLC,  and   PACE  Financial                                                               
Servicing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:10:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE   LUCAS-CONWELL,   Manager,   49th  State   Angel   Fund,                                                               
Municipality  of  Anchorage,  took   a  turn  at  the  PowerPoint                                                               
presentation, drawing  attention to  slide 3, "What  makes C-PACE                                                               
special?," which lists  the following:  No  upfront project cost;                                                               
long-term,   fixed-rate,  nonrecourse   financing;  transferable;                                                               
priority lien; increases property  value; and requires project to                                                               
"pencil out."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL explained  the  benefit of  having no  upfront                                                               
project costs means  being able to roll hard and  soft costs into                                                               
the loan, such  as costs for engineering,  permitting, and energy                                                               
audits.    She  said  there  are no  fixed  interest  rates;  the                                                               
provider  of the  capital decides  on the  terms of  the interest                                                               
rate; currently the  longest term is 20 years or  the lifetime of                                                               
the project -  whichever is shorter -  with non-reverse financing                                                               
tied to  the real assets  rather than the property  owners, which                                                               
is what  makes it  transferable.  Further,  there is  no required                                                               
owner guarantee, credit score, or bond  rating.  She said it is a                                                               
property  lien that  is  placed  on the  property  itself by  the                                                               
municipality  or  jurisdiction; it  is  "senior  to any  existing                                                               
mortgages"; and  any existing  mortgage or  lien holders  must be                                                               
given 30-day notice of the assessments  "to be able to consent to                                                               
the  assessments."   The  installation  of  new clean  energy  or                                                               
renewable  energy  should, over  the  lifespan  of the  property,                                                               
increase  its value,  she said,  while  improving operations  and                                                               
maintenance costs.   Regarding the  requirement to  "pencil out,"                                                               
she explained  that any project must  have a savings ratio  of at                                                               
least 1:1, which is dollars spent  to energy savings.  This means                                                               
the projects should be "cashflow positive from day one."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:13:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCAS-CONWELL  moved to slide  4, "C-PACE  Nationwide," which                                                               
shows that nationally, C-PACE has  resulted in over $2 billion in                                                               
investments,  over 2,500  commercial  projects,  and over  24,000                                                               
jobs created.   It  has been  an important  source of  credit for                                                               
property  owners seeking  credit  to make  improvements on  their                                                               
properties and  to address deferred maintenance  issues resulting                                                               
from  "past capital  restraints."   Further, C-PACE  can help  in                                                               
situations where existing  lenders may be "tapped  out" and costs                                                               
have increased due to construction delays.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCAS-CONWELL turned  to slide 5, "C-PACE  Status in Alaska,"                                                               
and  noted  Co-Chair Schrage  had  stated  that the  program  was                                                               
launched April 1,  2021, and several boroughs  are anticipated to                                                               
pass ordinances  that will expand the  program.  There is  yet to                                                               
be  an application  in  Anchorage, but  the  process takes  time.                                                               
There  is  an  anticipated   multi-million  project  in  downtown                                                               
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:16:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCAS-CONWELL  moved to slide  6, "Eligibility,"  which lists                                                               
the  eligibility requirements  for  property owners,  properties,                                                               
and  projects, and  which read  as follows  [original punctuation                                                               
provided, with some formatting changes]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Property Owner                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ? Legal record holder                                                                                                      
     ? Current on mortgage and property tax payments                                                                            
     ? Must not be insolvent or in bankruptcy proceedings                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Property                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ? Commercial or industrial                                                                                                 
     ? Existing property                                                                                                        
     ? Privately owned                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Project                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ?   Installation    or   modification    of   permanent                                                                    
     improvements                                                                                                               
     ? Reduces energy use                                                                                                       
     ? Not easily removed                                                                                                       
     ? Savings to Investment Ratio                                                                                              
     ? 20% Loan to Value Ratio                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL showed  slide 7,  "What Measures  Are Eligible                                                               
For  C-PACE  Financing?"   She  reviewed  the following  measures                                                               
shown on  the slide:   efficient lighting; boilers  and furnaces;                                                               
solar  energy;  water  conservation; combined  heat  and  energy;                                                               
building  energy  management  systems;  hot  water  heating;  and                                                               
building shell improvements.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:18:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE picked up the  presentation at slide 8, "Delinquency                                                               
or  Default,"   which  read  as  follows   [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     C-PACE assessments  are liens on the  property assessed                                                                    
     and  are  prior  and  paramount  to  all  liens  except                                                                    
     municipal tax liens and special assessments.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The   Municipality   will    enforce   any   delinquent                                                                    
     assessment  payment   against  the  property   for  the                                                                    
     benefit of the Capital Provider,  in the same manner as                                                                    
     a  property  tax  lien against  real  property  may  be                                                                    
     enforced by a local government per state statutes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        Nationally, there have been no foreclosures as a                                                                        
           result of a delinquent C-PACE assessment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE reminded the committee  that the municipality is not                                                               
required to pay the capital  ledger once the owner is delinquent.                                                               
She noted that  once the property is sold, the  loan is sold with                                                               
it, and the new owner would make  the loan payments.  She said it                                                               
is  a  nonaccelerating loan;  therefore,  "likely  they would  be                                                               
paying just a small portion of that loan payment."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE moved  on to  slide  9, "HB  227: Proposed  Statute                                                               
Amendments,"   which  read   as  follows   [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     1) Include New Construction                                                                                                
     2) Allow Resiliency Projects                                                                                               
     3) Allow Refinancing                                                                                                       
     4) 30 year max, Refer to 25% of Market Value                                                                               
     5) Eliminate the Savings-to-Investment Ratio (SIR)                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE stated  that the desired amendments  to statute come                                                               
from  best  practices,  investigations  of  other  programs,  and                                                               
discussions  with property  developers, property  owners, and  C-                                                               
PACE experts.   She indicated  that the amendments would  help to                                                               
overcome limitations,  and she  said some  states are  working on                                                               
similar changes.   She  said, "We  believe that  these amendments                                                               
will bring us  in line with the  way C-PACE is being  used in the                                                               
Lower 48."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE showed  slide 10,  "New Construction,"  which shows                                                               
that  new  construction  is  allowed in  25  state  programs  and                                                               
comprises approximately  half of C-PACE transactions  in the last                                                               
two years.  She said Alaska's  statute is replicated from that of                                                               
Texas,  which  is working  to  include  new construction  in  its                                                               
statute.    She  said  the  Municipality  of  Anchorage  has  had                                                               
inquiries about  new construction of "quite  large projects," and                                                               
[C-PACE]  offers  developers   opportunities  for  financing  and                                                               
facilitates more  energy efficient buildings.   She said  this is                                                               
in line with the intent of HB 227.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:21:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE drew  attention to slide 11,  "Resiliency," and said                                                               
HB 227  includes resiliency projects  that support  public policy                                                               
goals,  which are  listed  on  slide 11,  which  read as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ? seismic improvements                                                                                                     
    ?   stormwater   management,   flood   mitigation   and                                                                     
     protection                                                                                                                 
     ? fire hardening, fire or wind resistance                                                                                  
     ? erosion management                                                                                                       
        ? microgrids for energy storage and backup power                                                                        
     generation                                                                                                                 
      ? water or wastewater efficiency including reuse and                                                                      
     energy recovery                                                                                                            
     ? electric vehicle charging stations                                                                                       
     ? retrofitting  that improves the  envelope, structure,                                                                    
     or systems  of the building, and  any other improvement                                                                    
     project  approved by  a  municipality  as a  resilience                                                                    
     improvement project                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  added that individual  jurisdictions would  be able                                                               
to offer improvements relevant to their regions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:23:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE questioned  inclusion of  micro grids  for                                                               
energy storage  and backup power  generation because  he observed                                                               
they are covered under building  energy management systems rather                                                               
than  under the  topic of  resiliency.   Further, he  said he  is                                                               
unclear how electrical charging  stations would improve "any kind                                                               
of resiliency of a building."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  responded that micro  grids would not work  "in the                                                               
initial language" for  a couple reasons.  One has  to do with the                                                               
large,  upfront cost  that  improves resiliency.    She said  the                                                               
Municipality  of  Anchorage is  dependent  on  two pipelines  and                                                               
microgrid resiliency,  for example.   She added, "But,  you know,                                                               
maybe it  doesn't fit in the  initial bill; maybe it  doesn't say                                                               
that in 20 years; but still  is good for a community."  Regarding                                                               
electric  vehicles,   she  pointed  out  that   they  reduce  air                                                               
emissions,  and  with  90  percent  of  electric  vehicle  owners                                                               
charging at home,  the load on the grid is  evened out throughout                                                               
the day, in terms of kilowatt usage.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:26:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCAS-CONWELL  added all  resiliency projects  are voluntary.                                                               
She noted that in the case  of a gasoline shortage, the existence                                                               
of easy access charging stations  would allow electric and hybrid                                                               
cars to continue to operate.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  opined  that  this  issue  belongs  in  a                                                               
transportation  bill, not  in  "a  building bill."    He said  it                                                               
appears  this issue  was  placed in  hiding  within the  proposed                                                               
legislation, to which he remarked, "I'm not going there."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:28:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SCHRAGE  said  he appreciates  Representative  McCabe's                                                               
"healthy degree  of skepticism."   He said he  views HB 227  as a                                                               
means to achieve  a lower cost of capital,  with loans associated                                                               
to  those  items that  would  increase  value  of property.    He                                                               
mentioned multi-unit  communities where  a solar system  panel or                                                               
micro grid unit  could be put in to improve  resiliency.  He said                                                               
many  building owners  want to  provide charging  stations, which                                                               
ties  into  the  bigger  picture of  community  resiliency.    He                                                               
expressed  a willingness  to continue  the  conversation on  this                                                               
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE said  he lives  off-grid and  agrees about                                                               
the  need for  resiliency, but  explained his  point was  that he                                                               
thinks "it's  already covered in this  bill"; therefore, language                                                               
in the  bill referring to  electrical charging stations  does not                                                               
belong.   He said he would  not support "that one  bullet" [point                                                               
on slide 11, "electric charging stations"].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCHRAGE  said that is  a policy call for  the committee.                                                               
He said  a private lender will  not approve a loan  that does not                                                               
make sense and does not add value to a building.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:32:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCARTY said he understands  why the loan is going                                                               
to be tied to the property,  but he questioned who is responsible                                                               
for making payments in the event of a foreclosure.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:33:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE,  from  the  perspective  of  the  Municipality  of                                                               
Anchorage, said the  municipality would take its  usual course of                                                               
action to enforce any delinquent payments.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:35:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE  continued  with   the  PowerPoint,  to  slide  12,                                                               
"Refinancing,"  which  read   as  follows  [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
       AS 29.5..160 defines "finance" and "financing" to                                                                        
        include "refinancing" throughout AS 29.55.100 -                                                                         
     29.55.165.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Explicitly allows traditional refinancing of loans                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Allows  refinancing of  eligible  projects  known as  a                                                                    
     'look-back period'                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     C-PACE  can   retroactively  fund   recently  completed                                                                    
     projects    in   California,    Connecticut,   Florida,                                                                    
     Kentucky,  Michigan,  Minnesota,  Missouri,  New  York,                                                                    
     Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Washington D.C.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE noted  that financing  and refinancing  language is                                                               
contained in  HB 227;  however, she  said she  is not  seeing the                                                               
full definition and suggested that could be considered.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  turned next to  slide 13,  "Refer to 25%  of Market                                                               
Value," which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     More inline with industry standard                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Referring to  market value  rather than  assessed value                                                                    
     allows  the property  owner  to  capture 'As-built'  or                                                                    
     'As-operating' assessments                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Particularly important for new construction                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE, referring  to the  slide about  eligible measures,                                                               
reminded  members  that  Ms.  Lucas-Conwell  had  said  that  the                                                               
current  maximum  financing may  not  exceed  20 percent  of  the                                                               
assessed  value  of the  property  at  the  time of  the  program                                                               
application.  She  mentioned an option of a waiver  to 50 percent                                                               
of  assessed  value.   She  said  this  is fairly  limiting  with                                                               
projects  that would  ultimately increase  value.   She indicated                                                               
the  municipality  has looked  at  considering  smaller loans  or                                                               
"doing  two  separate loans  once  the  value increases  enough."                                                               
Returning to  slide 13,  she said using  the term  "market value"                                                               
allows   more  flexibility   in  capturing   the  value   of  the                                                               
improvements, and  25 percent is  more in line with  the industry                                                               
standard.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  shared slide 14,  "30 Year  Max and No  SIR," which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Allows  refinancing  of  eligible projects  within  two                                                                    
     years, known as a 'lookback period'                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     C-PACE  can   retroactively  fund   recently  completed                                                                    
     projects    in   California,    Connecticut,   Florida,                                                                    
     Kentucky,  Michigan,  Minnesota,  Missouri,  New  York,                                                                    
     Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Washington D.C.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE  said  government-designed SIR  requirements  often                                                               
generate counter-product  results, and it  is not a measure  of a                                                               
property  owner's ability  to pay.    She suggested  debt/service                                                               
coverage ratio is more appropriate.   She displayed slide 15, the                                                               
final  slide, which  gives contact  information.   She  expressed                                                               
enthusiasm  for  the  proposed legislation  for  its  ability  to                                                               
remove restrictions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:41:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCARTY asked how  C-PACE would increase standards                                                               
of construction when there are already standards in place.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:41:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SCHRAGE responded  that  lowering the  cost of  capital                                                               
allows  people  to  make  upgrades,  such  as  seismic  upgrades,                                                               
therefore resulting in a higher standard of building.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MCCARTY  expressed   concern  with   the  market                                                               
"bursting" and  asked what the  impact on this  lending mechanism                                                               
would be when it does.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCHRAGE  responded that accounting uses  market value in                                                               
terms of  appreciation, so  many business owners  may or  may not                                                               
have  incentive  already;  the  proposed  legislation  would  not                                                               
inflate market value.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:44:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  said he disagrees  because of  language on                                                               
page 6, line  17, of HB 227,  which read:  "or  completion of the                                                           
proposed energy  or resilience improvement  project".   He opined                                                           
that that sentence "opens the door to huge ... problems."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SCHRAGE  reiterated  that he  thinks  those  incentives                                                               
already exist.  He continued:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     All this  bill does is, for  certain projects, allow[s]                                                                    
     us to  utilize the municipal taxing  authority to apply                                                                    
     a   lien  to   the  property   instead  of   doing  [a]                                                                    
     traditional  loan  direct  to  a bank,  to  the  actual                                                                    
     individual property  owner - [the] group  that owns the                                                                    
     property.   This allows the municipal  taxing authority                                                                    
     to ...  levy a  lien on  the property  itself, allowing                                                                    
     for a  lower interest  rate, because  it lives  on with                                                                    
     the property; it can be done for 30 years - the useful                                                                     
     life of that upgrade.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SCHRAGE said it is still  the private lender that is "on                                                               
the hook,"  so all the  proposals will  be vetted by  the private                                                               
lender to ensure  that "someone isn't just putting  out a pie-in-                                                               
the-sky value for what some ... proposed upgrade will provide."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:47:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYAN  JOHNSTON,  Staff,  Representative  Calvin  Schrage,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature, on  behalf of  Representative Schrage,  prime                                                               
sponsor of  HB 227, offered  clarification that it is  25 percent                                                               
of the market value  of the property.  For example,  he said in a                                                               
$5  million project,  if the  market  value of  the building  was                                                               
$400,000, then the C-PACE loan would be only up to $100,000.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE pointed  again to  the sentence  that read                                                               
"or completion  of the proposed energy  or resilience improvement                                                               
project."   He reasoned, "So, if  $5 million is added  on to your                                                               
$400,000  building, then  it's 25  percent of  $5.4 million,  not                                                               
$400,000."   He suggested it  was a discussion he  could continue                                                               
outside of the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:49:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HANNAN opened public testimony on HB 277.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:49:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BALI KUMAR,  Chief Operating Officer, PACE  Loan Group, testified                                                               
in support  of HB  227.  He  said PACE Loan  Group is  a national                                                               
PACE loan provider.  He said he  is on the board of PACE Nation -                                                               
a national  nonprofit advocating  for PACE and  energy efficiency                                                               
through  PACE;  he is  also  part  of  the PACE  Alliance,  which                                                               
advocates  for   best  practices  in  commercial   PACE  industry                                                               
nationwide.   Prior  to this,  he said,  he was  CEO of  Lean and                                                               
Green   Michigan,   which   is   the   statewide   PACE   program                                                               
administrator in  Michigan.   He offered  further details  of his                                                               
experience there, as  well as the progress  of legislation there.                                                               
He  opined  that  issues  he has  addressed  are  being  properly                                                               
addressed through HB  227.  First, he said the  issue of assessed                                                               
value versus complete value makes sense  to flag.  He offered his                                                               
experience  in  this  regard.    He  said  lenders  lend  against                                                               
complete  value, based  on an  appraisal and  assurance that  the                                                               
borrower can "beat"  all debt obligations.  He  said PACE lending                                                               
encourages property  owners to build  in excess of code  - enough                                                               
to extend life of property.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KUMAR  talked about  property owners  buying when  cash rich,                                                               
and then,  as witnessed during the  pandemic, refinancing through                                                               
the  PACE   program,  which  helps  keep   the  business  afloat.                                                               
Regarding the  savings investment ratio, he  said property owners                                                               
do not want statute to tell  them they have to achieve "a certain                                                               
type of  fade-in vis--vis   their investment";  they also  do not                                                               
want  to  be prohibited  from  accessing  a 30-year  loan,  which                                                               
allows for lower payments.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KUMAR,  regarding  the  issue  of  charging  stations,  said                                                               
property  owners  nationwide  are building  shopping  centers  or                                                               
apartment complexes,  and while not required  to provide charging                                                               
centers,  they want  to  do  it using  PACE  funding, because  it                                                               
attracts  more  people  to  their   building.    He  stated  that                                                               
resilience   nationwide    is   "really    proliferating,"   with                                                               
legislation around  the country including issues  such as seismic                                                               
events and storm  strengthening improvements.  He  said PACE Loan                                                               
Group is currently  working with a property owner  in Alaska that                                                               
wants to  use PACE  to make the  building more  energy efficient,                                                               
and he stated that "HB 227 would streamline the process."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:57:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEREMIAH  BENSON,   Realtor,  spoke   about  his   experience  in                                                               
commercial plumbing  and heating,  including large  projects, and                                                               
as  an  investor.     He  said  he  sees   "nothing  but  win/win                                                               
situations" with  options such as  [PACE].  He  expressed support                                                               
for HB 227.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:59:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  NEUKRANZ,  CEO,  Global  Pacific   Capital,  LLC,  said  the                                                               
business finances  hundreds of millions  of dollars  by providing                                                               
C-PACE capital for  clean energy construction.   He gave examples                                                               
of the types  of buildings and projects, and he  noted almost all                                                               
the structures  include electric  vehicle charging stations.   He                                                               
emphasized  the  importance  to  Anchorage  of  constructing  new                                                               
buildings, citing  the many  types of jobs  that creates  and the                                                               
tax revenue that is brought to the city.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:02:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JESSA COLEMAN,  Associate Director,  Policy and  Programs, Nuzeen                                                               
Green Capital, testified  in support of HB 227.   She said Nuzeen                                                               
Green Capital invests in commercial  buildings through the C-PACE                                                               
financing structure.   She offered  some examples.  She  said the                                                               
amendments sought  under HB 227  support best practices  in terms                                                               
of C-PACE  and the broader  real estate  industry.  She  spoke of                                                               
increasing the value  and quality of long-term  assets through C-                                                               
PACE funding.  She said  removing the savings to investment ratio                                                               
requirement in the program would  recognize that not all building                                                               
improvements worth  investing repay  themselves but can  still be                                                               
worth  the investment  because  of the  improved  quality of  the                                                               
building.   Allowing application submission for  C-PACE financing                                                               
to be  based on the  market value of  a building is  the standard                                                               
practice  in  all real  estate  transactions.   She  offered  her                                                               
understanding  that  HB  227  would  allow  C-PACE  to  refinance                                                               
eligible projects that  have already been funded,  which she said                                                               
is a means of recuperating stranded assets.  She noted that C-                                                                  
PACE programs have had significant  [positive] impact on economic                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:06:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM BENKERT,  Business Development  Manager, KI Energy,  spoke of                                                               
his involvement with  C-PACE.  He said he  has educated customers                                                               
about the  benefits of the program.   He talked about  the use of                                                               
grants to hire experts to make  the program happen.  He specified                                                               
that  C-PACE  is a  descriptive,  not  prescriptive, program;  it                                                               
allows flexibility.   He  added that  "the amendments  allow even                                                               
more flexibility."   He said  the building owner needs  to ensure                                                               
that the  project considered makes  sense.  Further,  the program                                                               
does not  "shove conditions  down lenders'  throats."   He talked                                                               
about pulling  tax data during  the early stages of  the program,                                                               
which  informed  market sizing  in  each  community, as  well  as                                                               
showed there  was "a  rapidly aging building  stock."   He opined                                                               
that C-PACE is  a great program for upgrading  buildings to bring                                                               
them up  to a higher  standard of performance, thus  lowering the                                                               
operating costs.   The  money saved  can be used  in any  way the                                                               
owner sees  fit, including an increased  capability for servicing                                                               
debt.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:12:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENKERT said  the original  statute "missed  the mark"  on a                                                               
number of  issues.  For example,  it did not allow  the financing                                                               
of energy  measures in new  construction, which  was problematic,                                                               
because builders needed additional  funding above and beyond what                                                               
lenders  would  give in  order  to  provide measures  "above  and                                                               
beyond code."  He said KI  has an increasing number of developers                                                               
interested  in  new  construction   and  looking  to  C-PACE  for                                                               
financing.   He  said C-PACE  is  operational in  Anchorage.   He                                                               
spoke  of having  the benefit  of seeing  what other  states have                                                               
done  to  improves their  programs,  for  example, including  new                                                               
construction and retrofitting,  resiliency, and addressing issues                                                               
specific to  each jurisdiction.   He talked about the  benefit of                                                               
electric charging stations bringing in customers.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BENKERT  discussed the benefit  of the amendments  to statute                                                               
that would  be made under  HB 227.   He mentioned the  removal of                                                               
SIR, which at  a current 1:1 basis  is an extremely low  bar.  He                                                               
named other  proposed changes that  would benefit  projects, such                                                               
as the change  from assessed value to market  value, and updating                                                               
language to included  more modern forms of energy.   He mentioned                                                               
increased cashflow,  an improved  ability to  retain a  loan, and                                                               
reduced  operating  costs.    He talked  about  the  transfer  of                                                               
buildings  from one  owner to  the next  and that  the new  owner                                                               
"will have a portion of  paying for that reduced operating cost."                                                               
He mentioned insurance, warranty,  and pre-paid maintenance - all                                                               
things  that   will  continue  long-term  operations   of  energy                                                               
projects.     He  stated  emphatic   support  for   the  proposed                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:19:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked how many applications  had been made                                                               
outside of Anchorage.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENKERT answered  zero, because  Anchorage currently  is the                                                               
only jurisdiction with this program.   In response to a follow-up                                                               
question, he said it is an  opt-in program, and he explained that                                                               
the program  works only  in an  area with  taxing authority.   He                                                               
indicated the original plan was  to involve Anchorage, Fairbanks,                                                               
and Juneau.   He said  with the  onset of the  COVID-19 pandemic,                                                               
priorities changed in various  jurisdictions and interests "waxed                                                               
and  waned," with  Anchorage, Alaska  pursuing the  project.   He                                                               
said  today  there  is  a  strong interest  in  building  in  the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna  (Mat-Su) Borough  and interest  in Juneau,  as                                                               
well, in terms of using C-PACE.   He clarified that it is current                                                               
statute  that  has the  limitation  regarding  areas with  taxing                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:22:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICHOLAS ZUBA,  Director, PACE Policy  and Programs,  Clean Fund,                                                               
LLC, said his  firm has done approximately  $300 million-worth of                                                               
C-PACE volume  across the country.   He mentioned  his experience                                                               
not only  with C-PACE  but with a  residential program,  as well.                                                               
He stated that  no program is perfect at its  inception.  He said                                                               
the  expansion to  include new  construction  and resiliency  are                                                               
vital  changes  to be  made  to  the  program,  because it  is  a                                                               
critical component  for fighting  climate change.   In a  time of                                                               
rising interest  rates, he remarked,  developers want to  see the                                                               
least  cost  in  capital  as  possible.    He  talked  about  the                                                               
importance of resiliency to face  the increase in storms, floods,                                                               
and wild  fires.  He  mentioned seismic  activity in Alaska.   He                                                               
talked about the  importance of protecting buildings as  a way of                                                               
caring for the state's economy,  because businesses are housed in                                                               
those buildings.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ZUBA   said  Clean  Fund,   LLC,  supports   the  structural                                                               
programmatic  changes  proposed  under  HB 227.    He  said  many                                                               
property owners  are not aware  of C-PACE, even  with advertising                                                               
and outreach efforts,  and he opined that  building owners should                                                               
not be penalized  for taking on an  energy-improvement project on                                                               
their own, not knowing about the  program; they should be able to                                                               
take advantage of  the C-PACE financing to take  advantage of the                                                               
capital and perhaps be able to  refinance.  He stated support for                                                               
the proposed removal of the  SIR requirement, because it does not                                                               
"capture all  those achieved benefits  from doing a  project when                                                               
the  property  owner  decides  to  implement  it."    He  equated                                                               
limiting of financing to unrealized  savings for property owners.                                                               
He  promoted financing  based on  percentage  of property  value,                                                               
which  he  said  aligns  with   current  practices  in  financing                                                               
nationwide.   He  concluded by  stating support  of the  proposed                                                               
legislation,  expressing anticipation  of  being  able to  extend                                                               
financing to Alaska's property  owners in creating sustainability                                                               
and resiliency while bolstering the state's economy.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:31:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HANNAN,  after ascertaining  there was  no one  else who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 227.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:31:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HANNAN announced that HB 227 was held over.                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 227 CPACE Sectional 1.27.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 DCCED CRA Fiscal Note 1.27.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 Letters of Support 2.24.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 Sponsor Statement 1.27.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 Version I 1.27.22.PDF HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 227
SB 143 Bill Version I.PDF HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 3/8/2022 8:00:00 AM
HL&C 3/14/2022 3:15:00 PM
SB 143
SB 143 Sectional Analysis 2.8.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
SB 143 Support Document 1 Sarah Badten 2.1.22.PDF HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
SB 143 Support Document 2 Pre-1986 Home-Condominium Owners Associations 2.1.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
SB 143 Support Document 3 Post-1986 Home-Condominium Owners Associations 2.1.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
SB 143 Sponsor Statement 2.1.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
SB 143 Fiscal Note 2.5.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
SB 143 Support Letter Edgewater Villa HOA Anchorage 2-9-22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
SB 143 Support Letter Matthew Widmer 1.21.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 143
HB243 Letter of Support Edgewater Villa HOA Anchorage.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 - Supporting Documents - List of Pre - 1986 HOA's and COA's.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 - Supporting Documents - List of Post - 1986 HOA's and COA's.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 Letter of Support Matthew Widmer.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 Sectional Analysis .pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 Sponsor Statement 2.7.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 Supporting Document Sarah Badten.PDF HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 Supporting Documents CAI.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 Ver A.PDF HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243
HB243 Fiscal Note - OMB - 2.25.22.pdf HCRA 3/1/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 243